Paul Bretl | 1/22/2025
GREEN BAY, Wis. — The Packers on the search for a new defensive line coach and have reportedly had multiple candidates in for interviews to fill that role as they look to get more production out of their pass rush in 2025.
“Sometimes that’s just the way the NFL season goes,” said Brian Gutekunst. “I think, again, there was some transition to a new scheme, but I think we didn’t grow into that consistent front like we had hoped, but there were times that we showed it, so I know it’s capable. I think we’ve got the right guys. They’re workers in there, I think they’re all passionate about the game, they’re unselfish team guys so I expect us to get better there.”
Following the end of the Packers’ 2024 season, the team announced that they were moving on from Jason Rebrovich after an inconsistent season from the pass rush unit. Rebrovich joined the Packers in 2022 as their outside linebackers coach while in a 3-4 scheme under then defensive coordinator Joe Barry.
As the team transitioned to Jeff Hafley in 2024, Rebrovich was one of two defensive position coaches, along with defensive backs coach Ryan Downard, who remained on the coaching staff despite the team moving on from Barry. Now in a 4-3 defense, Rebrovich became the defensive line coach.
Throughout the season, the Packers’ inconsistency when it came to pressuring the quarterback with just a four-man rush was a regular hurdle that the defense had to overcome. Particularly in games against the NFC’s best–Detroit, Minnesota, and Philadelphia–the lack of pressure on the quarterback was a lot for the defense to overcome.
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In the most recent matchups against these teams, Jalen Hurts was pressured on 33% of his dropbacks, according to PFF’s metrics. Sam Darnold, meanwhile, was pressured on only 31% of his dropbacks, and Jared Goff 28% of his.
For some context around those figures, Justin Herbert was pressured on 33.8% of his dropbacks for the entire NFL season and that ranked 25th out of 42 quarterbacks. A pressure rate of 31% ranked 32nd and a 28% pressure rate ranked 38th.
Darnold and Goff in particular, would pick a part the Green Bay defense with that time in the pocket. Darnold was 26-of-30 passing for 315 yards with three scores. Goff would 26-for-30 as well, for 215 passing yards when kept clean with one touchdown and one interception.
“I would say in those known passing situations, get back on track, third and medium plus, guys got to be able to win one on ones and there’s certain things you can do structurally to help create some one-on-one opportunities for our guys,” Matt LaFleur said. Typically, if you put a linebacker on the ball and you space it out so that each lineman is covered, you’re going to get a 5-0, and you’ll have five one-on-ones, but somebody’s gotta win.”
Overall, the Packers defense would finish top-10 in sacks and their pressure numbers ranked around the middle of the NFL. However, it’s now those pressures were generated that illustrated the issue at hand. Oftentimes, pressures weren’t created by the four-man front winning their matchups. Rather it was Hafley drawing up blitzes or simulated pressures to throw some eye-candy at the offensive line that helped create that disruption.
When it came to the defensive front winning its one-on-one matchups, the Packers ranked 26th in ESPN’s pass-rush win rate metric.
The trickle-down effect of Hafley have to help bolster a lack-luster pass-rush was that for much of the season, we didn’t really even see the true version of Hafley’s defensive scheme in Green Bay. In one respect, it’s a credit to Hafley for his willingness and ability to adapt and adjust on the fly, while still orchestrating a top 10 defensive unit in scoring. On the other hand, this also speaks to the lack of impact plays from the front.
“I envisioned rushing four and playing three deep/four under a heck of a lot more and we ended up doing a lot of simulated blitzes and different pressures and playing a bunch of cover-2,” said LaFleur.
“But I think, again, you always evolve throughout the course of the season, through the offseason, but that was the foundation, I would say, of the defense. But I thought our guys did a great job of adjusting. I thought we were playing some pretty good football at the end.”
While the pass rush faltered, the defensive front did make massive strides against the run. After years of struggling to limit opponents on the ground, the Packers ranked top-five in yards per rush allowed this season.
However, in order for this Packers’ defense to take another step forward in 2025, the pass rush has to improve, specifically, the four man front has to win more regularly. For one, whether it be salary cap dollars or draft capital, the Packers have invested heavily into that position group and would like to see the on-field results of that.
But in addition to that, when the four-man front is getting home, every other defender benefits from it, and their job becomes much easier. Conversely, when there is time in the pocket for the quarterback, the job of the second and third-level defenders becomes exponentially more difficult.
As of Wednesday morning, here is who the Packers have reportedly interviewed for their defensive line opening as they look to get more juice out of this group in 2025.
Kacy Rodgers
Rodgers has been the Buccaneers run game coordinator and defensive line coach since the 2022 season. Before that, he was the Bucs’ defensive line coach from 2019-2021 and has defensive coordinator experience as well, holding that title with the New York Jets from 2015-2018.
Throughout Rodgers’ tenure with the Bucs, the Tampa Bay defense has found success both against the run and getting after the quarterback. In this most recent 2024 season, the Bucs ranked ninth in pressure rate and 11th in yards per rush, but were particularly dominant down the stretch against the run, holding their final nine opponents to under 4.0 yards per carry.
In 2023, the Bucs were seventh in yards per rush allowed. In 2021, Tampa Bay was second in quarterback pressure rate, seventh in sacks, and second in hits. In 2020, the Bucs were again extremely disruptive in the trenches, finishing fourth in sacks, third in pressure rate and third in hits. Along with winning the Super Bowl that year, Rodgers would win the John Teerlinck Defensive Line Coach of the Year award.
In 2019, the Bucs’ had the top run defense in football in both yards per carry and total rushing yards per game surrendered.
“Kacy Rodgers was really the driving force behind us being able to have so much success early in our pro careers, and a big reason why some of us were able to have sustained success in the NFL,” former NFL defensive lineman Chris Canty said.
“He taught us offensive line protections, he taught us formations, he taught us basic offensive systems. So being able to learn the game from that perspective, learning how to break down the tape – that’s really what allowed us to get our football IQ caught up to our physical abilities.”
Aaron Whitecotton
Whitecotton had been the New York Jets defensive line coach for the previous four seasons under then head coach Robert Saleh. Given Saleh’s relationship with Matt LaFleur, one can assume that this interview was a recommendation from Saleh, who obviously knows Whitecotton well.
During the 2022 and 2023 seasons, the Jets’ defensive front was one of the more disruptive units in football. In 2023, that unit ranked fourth in pressure rate and seventh in sacks. The year prior, in 2022, New York ranked third in pressure rate and again was seventh in sacks. Quinnen Williams was also a first-team All-Pro that season as well.
“There are things on that play-by-play grade sheet that aren’t necessarily big, fancy, flashy stats, but are they helping our team win? Boom,” said Whitecotton recently. “That’s a factor. It’s not a hit, it’s not a hurry, it’s not a sack fumble. But if we didn’t get this done, then this result wouldn’t have happened. So that’s another thing that I take into account with that. It’s are the guys being a consistent factor?”
In this most recent 2024 season, once Saleh was fired, the Jets’ defense as a whole took a step back. However, 2023 first-round pick Will McDonald continued to progress under Whitecotton, with his pass-rush production taking a big step forward. On the Packers’ side of things, that progression from Lukas Van Ness in his second season was a key element that was missing in 2024.
Eric Washington
Washington was most recently the Chicago Bears’ defensive coordinator during the 2024 season, but his coaching background is rooted in the defensive line. From 2020-2023, Washington held various coaching roles along the Buffalo Bills defensive line.
The Bears defense this past season was one of the better units at getting after the quarterback. They finished the regular season seventh in pressure rate, although they were 16th in sacks. However, while finishing the play is obviously important, there is something to be said for the impact steady pressure can have on a quarterback.
In Washington’s final season with the Bills, Buffalo was sixth in pressure, fourth in sacks, and 10th in tackles for loss. Throughout his tenure with Buffalo, the Bills often boasted one of the more disruptive defensive fronts in football.
Washington’s time as the defensive coordinator with the Bears was his second stint in that role. Before joining the Bills, he was the Panthers’ defensive coordinator for two seasons.
“He is a great communicator with elite leadership skills and he will enhance our current defensive staff,” Former Bears head coach Matt Eberflus said. “His track record speaks for itself with coordinator experience as well as expertise in the area of defensive line.”
One other name I’ll put out there as perhaps an under-the-radar option is Vince Oghobaase, who was the Packers’ assistant defensive line coach this past season. Oghobaase previously coached with Jeff Hafley at Boston College as the team’s defensive line coach.
Under Oghobaase at Boston college, defensive end Donovan Ezeiruaku was a second-team All-ACC member in 2022, with defensive tackle Chibueze Onwuka earning Honorable Mention honors that same season. In 2021, Marcus Valdez was also an All-ACC Honorable Mention.
“I had the opportunity to work with Vince in San Francisco and his knowledge of the game, energy and commitment to the players jumped out to me,” said Hafley when Oghobaase joined his staff in 2020. “At Ohio State, he trained under one of the best defensive line coaches in all of football in Larry Johnson and he gained excellent experience the last two seasons at the defensive line coach at UCLA.”
There are no reports at this time that suggest the Packers are considering or even if they will interview Oghobaase for the role.
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